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Location: Edgware, Middlesex | I've been watching some live streaming from last night and I have to say I'm feeling more sympathetic towards Charley at the moment. I really disliked her to start but she seemed genuinely upset that she's been upsetting people and was asking people to tell her what they didn't like about her so that she could try to change it. Shabnam was very much in the line of "who cares what those air-heads think" (which just reinforces my dislike of Shabnam) but Charley seemed to be really upset and willing to work at it.
Of course there's always the little nagging voice saying she's just doing it so she won't get nominated and so she knows what to work on to win over the public but it looked pretty genuine to me 
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Location: Wakefield | She said she wanted to know but she WONT change she just wants to know, and then when Chanelle told her she went of crying for half an hour, she does my hedin lol |
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Location: Edgware, Middlesex | Well, it's not like she's become my favourite housemate or anything. I'm impressed that she's willing to change and, apparently, she's been doing pretty well over the last day or so - making a real effort to be nicer to people.
Still, you really shouldn't need to be told to be respectful of other people's feelings. It should be natural.
I would say that she is no longer my least favourite housemate but I wouldn't be upset if she got nominated 
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Location: Scottish Borders | Charley has to be one of the vilest creatures that Big Brother has ever spewed up!  And the worst of it is she has zero self-awareness. She thinks she is the best thing since sliced bread.  BLECH!!!  |
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| emptybox - 11/6/2007 22:37
Charley has to be one of the vilest creatures that Big Brother has ever spewed up! And the worst of it is she has zero self-awareness. She thinks she is the best thing since sliced bread. BLECH!!!
C'mon, empty, stop sitting on the fence, tell us straight, do you like her or not?  |
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Location: Scottish Borders | Can ee no tell, A'm nae sae keen?
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Location: Edgware, Middlesex | I thought it summed it up the other day when Charley heard about the crowds chanting her name she said "Why me of all people?"
Says it all really
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| Who does that remind you of Princess Rachel?  |
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Location: Wakefield | Aisleyne lmao |
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| Not you as well Rachel. You're as bad as that shower on DS comparing that apparently bitchy, gobby Charley to our lovely Aisleyne.
I suppose Ash did react to hearing the chanting. It was your beloved Miss Adams Short who I remember saying in the Diary Room that she didn't understand why "they choose to boo me". |
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| boldjohn - 12/6/2007 23:28
Not you as well Rachel. You're as bad as that shower on DS comparing that apparently bitchy, gobby Charley to our lovely Aisleyne.
Unless it's gone downhill just recently, boldjohn, I thought that Charley/Aisleyne thread was generally going quite well (apart from the fallacy in the OP), with most people (even some non-fans of Ash) dismissing any resemblance. That thread does show once again that Aisleyne is firmly established as one of the all-time big characters in the BB pantheon.
Back on topic, I suspect that if pushed into a tight corner, Aisleyne could out-Charley Charley in a VERY big way indeed. But unlike Ash, Charley seems utterly devoid of charm; smarm maybe, but definitely zero charm. |
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| ofni - 12/6/2007 23:46
boldjohn - 12/6/2007 23:28
Not you as well Rachel. You're as bad as that shower on DS comparing that apparently bitchy, gobby Charley to our lovely Aisleyne.
Unless it's gone downhill just recently, boldjohn, I thought that Charley/Aisleyne thread was generally going quite well (apart from the fallacy in the OP ), with most people (even some non-fans of Ash ) dismissing any resemblance. That thread does show once again that Aisleyne is firmly established as one of the all-time big characters in the BB pantheon.
Back on topic, I suspect that if pushed into a tight corner, Aisleyne could out-Charley Charley in a VERY big way indeed. But unlike Ash, Charley seems utterly devoid of charm; smarm maybe, but definitely zero charm.
I read the opening few posts at work today ofni. I recall a few comments about about Aisleyne acting black and Charley being black - all very sad. I'm glad to hear the cavalry came to the rescue. |
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| In all honestly I've warmed to Charley more than I have Chanelle. Neither are particularly likeable people but I feel that with Charley what you see is what you get. She and Shabnam spoke a lot of sense the other night - they seem to have scheming, manipulative Chanelle sussed. It is only a matter of time before Chanelle's facade disappears because I truly believe she is being the most false and insincere at the moment. |
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Location: Scottish Borders | But what you get with Charley is a malicious screaming Banshee. |
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Location: Edgware, Middlesex | Sid_1979 - 13/6/2007 23:23
In all honestly I've warmed to Charley more than I have Chanelle. Neither are particularly likeable people but I feel that with Charley what you see is what you get. She and Shabnam spoke a lot of sense the other night - they seem to have scheming, manipulative Chanelle sussed. It is only a matter of time before Chanelle's facade disappears because I truly believe she is being the most false and insincere at the moment.
I have never understood why people think "what you see is what you get" makes someone a good person. It all depends on what you see!
I see very little good about Charley and a lot of good in Chanelle.
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| No don't get me wrong - I'm not condoning Charley's behaviour and I am sick to death of people justifying their aggressive, confrontational, nasty behaviour with excuses like "I'm saying it how it is" and "I call a spade a spade" and "I'm just being upfront."
My point is Chanelle is being portrayed as very sweet and innocent but having watched her on live feed I find her very false indeed. She is slipping under the radar because of Charley. |
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Location: Edgware, Middlesex | Sid_1979 - 14/6/2007 12:07
My point is Chanelle is being portrayed as very sweet and innocent but having watched her on live feed I find her very false indeed. She is slipping under the radar because of Charley.
I've watched her on live feed as well. I've seen acts of kindness and consideration and respect for the older housemates. I've laughed at her humour in the diary room, I've heard self-deprecation and humility and a lot of sense. She's not arrogant like Shabnam and Charley, she's not confrontational, she's not depressing or bossy like Nikki, she's not unsympathetic like Tracey or mean-spirited and judgemental like Laura. She is, in fact, pretty much the embodiment of everything Ziggy said he looked for in a girl so I really don't understand the need for cynicism here. Why wouldn't it be real affection?
Opinion about her motives is just speculation. There was enough of that last year over Aisleyne. I always say you should judge people on what they do - not on why you think they do it...
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Location: Scottish Borders | I haven't seen anything false about Chanelle either.
Yes she made sure Ziggy noticed her at the begining, but she seems like a lovely girl to me.  |
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| Hmmmm I still have my doubts! It's a gut feeling. The same gut feeling I had about Grace and Saskia and Adele and look how they turned out lol
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Location: Edgware, Middlesex | Sid_1979 - 15/6/2007 12:09
Hmmmm I still have my doubts! It's a gut feeling. The same gut feeling I had about Grace and Saskia and Adele and look how they turned out lol
Umm... Grace and Mikey are getting married and Saskia and Max bought a house together and lived with each other for a year before breaking up (without ever trying to capitalize on the relationship in the magazines)
Not really a good recommendation on your gut feelings there 
Still, you're an Aisleyne fan so I guess your gut must be right sometimes 
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| I wasn't referring to Chanelle's relationship with Ziggy as such. I was making reference to her character. Grace, Adele and Saskia all started well but turned out to be bad eggs!
I have to say though, I've completely gone off Charley following banana-gate. I can't wait to see the back of her.
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Location: Wakefield | boldjohn - 12/6/2007 23:28
Not you as well Rachel. You're as bad as that shower on DS comparing that apparently bitchy, gobby Charley to our lovely Aisleyne.
I suppose Ash did react to hearing the chanting. It was your beloved Miss Adams Short who I remember saying in the Diary Room that she didn't understand why "they choose to boo me".
where they actualy Get Ash Out chants? I'm sure I can remember someone saying but I was on holiday at the time
haha yes it was Miss Adams-Short that was saying why did thy boo her lol
and everyone Chanelle is realy nice and she isnt fake and she isnt a bitch and she doesnt try to course arguments! Chanelle to win
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Location: Edgware, Middlesex | PrincessRachel - 16/6/2007 14:20
where they actualy Get Ash Out chants? I'm sure I can remember someone saying but I was on holiday at the time
Yes, the crowds chanted "Aisleyne Out" pretty much every week following the house next door eviction right up until the final. Which just goes to show that housemates should know better than to pay any attention to the crowds. They don't always speak for the public at large
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Location: Edgware, Middlesex | Sid_1979 - 16/6/2007 12:55
I wasn't referring to Chanelle's relationship with Ziggy as such. I was making reference to her character. Grace, Adele and Saskia all started well but turned out to be bad eggs!
Ok, fair enough. Although I should point out that, after Aisleyne, Saskia is actually my favourite housemate of all time and she and Aisleyne are now friends!
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Location: Wakefield | Julian - 16/6/2007 15:06
PrincessRachel - 16/6/2007 14:20
where they actualy Get Ash Out chants? I'm sure I can remember someone saying but I was on holiday at the time
Yes, the crowds chanted "Aisleyne Out" pretty much every week following the house next door eviction right up until the final. Which just goes to show that housemates should know better than to pay any attention to the crowds. They don't always speak for the public at large
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ok lol i missed loads last year cos I was on holiday, I was in France when she wet into house next door and I was in malta when Lea and Nikki were voted ff lol |
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